Kobe More Clutch Than Jordan? Juuust A Bit Outside
Today on ESPN's 1st and 10 Jemele Hill proved why she should not have a job analyzing sports, particularly professional basketball. On the show she debated two points with Skip Bayless. The first was who between Kobe and Jordan was more clutch and the second was who was better at the age of 20, Durant or Lebron.
On the first point Jemele stated that Kobe was a better clutch player than His Airness. Am I a Kobe hater? Yes. Do I accept that Kobe Bryant is one of the 15 greatest players in NBA history? Yes.
To even put Kobe's ability to perform in pressure situations on the same level as Jordan's is absolutely ridiculous.
In 6 NBA Finals appearances, Jordan won six titles and six Finals MVP trophies with several game-winning Finals shots, including Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals, his last Finals appearance.
Kobe has also made 6 Finals appearances, winning 4 titles, 3 with the most dominating center of this era and has won a total of one Finals MVP trophy. He has made one game-winning Finals shot against the Pistons in Game 2 of the 2004 NBA Finals, a series the Lakers went on to lose comprehensively 4-1.
Jordan averaged 33.4 points in the playoffs, the all-time record, on 48.7% shooting from the field to go along with averages of 6.4 rebounds and 5.7 assists. All of these are increases from his regular season averages.
Kobe also has impressive playoff averages of 25.0 points on 44.7% shooting to go with 5.1 rebounds and 4.7 assists. His points and rebounds average slightly decrease from his regular season totals and his field goal percentage is nearly an entire percent lower than his regular season average. His assists average goes up by 0.1.
The fact that you can't hand check players and that the level of contact allowed now is far less than during MJ's prime makes it even more amazing to see what Jordan accomplished. I could keep going on, but if you want more proof of how in every way Jordan is more clutch, check out these stats.
Bryant: Career Achievements and Playoff Stats
Jordan: Career Achievements and Playoff Stats
Now her second argument was that Durant as 20 year-old was slightly better than James simply because he had a better outside touch. This is the most ridiculous premise to determine who's a better player because it simply neglects other aspects of the game.
Durant's average of 25.3 points per game on 47.6% shooting is outstanding. He also averaged 6.5 rebounds and 2.8 assists. All in all an extremely impressive second year in the league at the age of 20.
James played with more pressure on him as a phenom in his second year than Durant has ever experienced and averaged 27.2 points on 47.2% shooting. I will agree with Jemele that Durant has a more polished perimeter shooting game at this age than James had at that age. However James averaged 7.4 rebounds and a ridiculous 7.2 assists as well. He also averaged one more steal per game than Durant (2.2 to 1.3).
None of this is to say that Kobe is not a great player or that Durant is not one of the most talented young players in the history of the NBA. However to compare Kobe's or any player's pressure situation abilities to Jordan's is an act of stupidity anybody who watched playoff games in the 90's knows without looking at the numbers. Similarly Lebron's all-around game was so much more advanced than Durant's at the same age that looking at one aspect such as perimeter scoring and then using that as a basis to determine a better player is perhaps an even greater act of stupidity.
Then again rooting for the Celtics is exactly like rooting for Hitler, right Jemele?
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I’m pretty disappointed no Kobe fans wanted to debate this.
by aramnath on Dec 18, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kobe More Clutch Than Jordan?
How many game winners did Jordan hit with a broken bone in his shooting hand? How many 40 point games did he score with a broken hand? Bryant’s skills are the best I’ve ever seen and I’m old.
by folderholder on Dec 20, 2009 3:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha is that really the qualification of the best player? Scoring 40 in a regular season game against the Bucks with a broken finger? If you want toughness go check out the Detroit Pistons matchups with the Bulls in the late 80’s and early 90’s in the playoffs. In the Jordan Rules defenses the Pistons employed methods that if used today would result in a flagrant foul being called on every play and Jordan never backed down. Taking that kind of punishment for four years before comprehensively beating the Pistons in 1991 is something no player from this era could dream of doing. Also Phil Jackson, Kobe’s own coach is on record of saying that if Jordan played under today’s NBA rules he would average 45 a game. Kobe’s a great player, but he’s playing in a time now that gives perimeter players a complete advantage offensively with the elimination of the hand check. Also the pace of the game was much slower in Jordan’s day than it is now, making his scoring average of 30.1 that much more impressive than Kobe’s 25.1.
Once again the numbers bear out simply that Jordan is a better player. The only aspect of the game where Kobe is superior is in three point shooting which is completely offset by the fact that Jordan got to the free throw line much more frequently than Bryant has his entire career.
by aramnath on Dec 20, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really think playing against a hand check is harder than shooting a ball with a broken finger? Try it some time. As for career scoring average, Jordan never played with a team mate like Shaq. The Bulls needed Jordan’s points to win, the Lakers didn’t need Kobe to be their top scorer. It’s a team game, right? When Shaq left and the Lakers needed more points from him to win, Kobe scored more than anyone since Wilt.
by folderholder on Dec 21, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When Shaq left and the Lakers had Kobe as their star player they didn’t do much until they acquired Pau Gasol. Losing first round series up 3-1 to a depleted Phoenix team while deciding not to shoot in Game 7 isn’t my idea of the greatest player of all-time. Also the point being is you’re comparing Jordan’s career to Kobe’s and using some games he’s playing with a broken finger. If you don’t think Jordan ever played hurt or with injuries that would be foolish. Look no further than the game he played in 1997 NBA Finals with the flu and a stomach virus. Sufferring from cramps because of severe dehydration throughout the game and the series tied 2-2 Jordan scored 38 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 steals.
Kobe’s been the go-to player for the last 6 seasons and has averaged over 30 points a game once. Jordan averaged over 30 points a game 8 times in his career. You’re right it’s not just about scoring and when you compare the two, how much better Jordan is becomes even more apparent. Jordan averaged 6.2 rebounds, 5.3 assists and 2.35 steals per game. Those numbers for Kobe stand at 5.1 rebounds, 4.7 assists and 1.4 steals. Jordan has the highest playoff scoring average of all-time.
Once again playing in an era where the hand check was allowed and still shooting a better percentage than Kobe should tell you something about their respective abilities. There is a reason why perimeter plays dominate the NBA under the current rules and that scoring spiked upwards after the hand check was eliminated.
“There is so much stuff being called out on the perimeter,” Knicks coach Larry Brown says. “I can’t imagine what Michael would have gotten with the hand-check rules the way they’re calling it now.” This is exactly what Phil Jackson was thinking when he said Jordan would average 45 a game in today’s NBA
Like I said, it is well documented that Jordan was a better defensive player than Kobe. During the all-time most defensive era in the NBA’s history Jordan put up better number across the board than Kobe. Kobe’s great, but to insist that he is better and choose some ridiculous criteria to determine that like, “oh well he’s playing well with a broken finger in his hand” is ridiculous. That just denies the larger body of work throughout their careers that makes it clear Jordan was a better player in every aspect of the game.
by aramnath on Dec 21, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you’re enjoying this. Anyway, what’s the point of bringing up Gasol? No one has ever won a an NBA title by himself. Even Wilt had Hall of Famers Greer and Cunningham with him in 1967. Kareem had Oscar Robertson in Milwaukee. How many titles did MJ win without Pippin? It’s ridiculous to rag on Kobe because he can’t win a title alone. If Kobe does win on his own, like the 81 point game, he’s called selfish, right?
I also never claimed Michael didn’t play hurt — I’m not trying to insult him or anything — but personally I think scoring 40 points with a broken shooting hand is crazy. Besides, if you go back to my original post I said Kobe has the best skills I’ve ever seen. I am convinced that no one ever has made more high degree of difficulty shots than he has.
by folderholder on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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