Love is Blind: Jason Whitlock and Brett Favre
by aramnath on Jan 14, 2010 4:23 PM EST
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Jason Whitlock is a columnist on FoxSports.com who has a knack for making extremely stupid and controversial points in his writing. Often times he is able to hide his stupidity through the mere verbiage of his articles, but today he outdid himself (scroll to the bottom for his prediction of the Vikings-Cowboys to see Whitlock proclaim his love for Favre).
He begins by talking about how Peyton Manning needs to lead his Indianapolis Colts to another Super Bowl to justify his standing among the pantheon of the game's best quarterbacks. He claims that Manning's regular season numbers have been inflated by rule changes that have benefited quarterbacks and led to the dominance of the passing game in football.
I actually agree with him on that, but my beef here is his choosing and picking which of the game's quarterbacks he applies this too. Brett Favre has worse regular season numbers than Manning, his playoff record and numbers are virtually the same and he has benefited from the very same rules that Manning has.
Both have won a Super Bowl and both have had a number of horrific playoff outings. However for some reason, only Manning is put under Whitlock's ridiculous microscope.
Things actually get worse from here as he moves on to the topic of Green Bay's loss at Arizona and Aaron Rodgers. I'll let Whitlock tell it himself.
7. There are several holes in all the Green Bay whining about the uncalled facemask penalty on Aaron Rodgers’ game-deciding fumble.
The refs miss calls all the time. Rodgers missed Greg Jennings deep on the first play of overtime. The fact is, Brett Favre would’ve connected with Jennings. Packers fans know it and that’s why they’re whining about the hit on Rodgers.
It’s a distraction so they won’t have to deal with the reality that Favre still throws the long ball better than Rodgers.
I like Rodgers. I like the way he played in that game. He has yet to justify Ted Thompson’s decision to run Favre out of Green Bay. Maybe next year.
I think it's time for Whitlock to hop off of Favre's nuts at this point. Are you joking me? His argument is that Favre no doubt would have made that throw while Rodgers is somehow an abject failure so far because he missed a 50-yard, triple move, deep post bomb.
First of all in Favre's last playoff game with the Packers in 2007 he handed the game to the New York Giants, throwing Corey Webster an interception in overtime that set up the game-winning field goal. Why don't we go back to his great showing against the Rams in the 2002 playoffs. That was the one where he threw 6 interceptions, including three returned for touchdowns, an NFL playoff record.
Sorry Jason, but the idea that Rodgers hasn't justified Thompson's decision to "run" Favre out of town is an absolute joke. Anytime you have a guy who throws for over 4,000 yard, 30 TD, 7 INT's and completes 64.6% of his passes in his second season as a starter, I think you're decision has been justified.
Whitlock's standards for evaluating quarterback play not only is useless, but clearly a case of somebody having a little too much Favre in his life.
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by kentcheesehead on Jan 14, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
From personal experience I can tell you it is.
by aramnath on Jan 14, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought Favre’s QB rating was higher than Manning’s? it is. Favre = 107. Manning = 99.9. the rating is a sum of the most important facets of what goes into the mechanics of being a QB, isn’t it? therefore, your statement that Manning’s regular season numbers are better than Favre’s is false. therefore, this article is bogus and written by a Favre-hater. SKOL FAVRE! SKOL VIKINGS!!
by belairjeff on Jan 14, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. I was using the comparison of career passer ratings. Favre’s is 86.6 for his career and Manning is 95.2. One year doesn’t make somebody a better or worse quarterback.
by aramnath on Jan 15, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in ya face belairjeff
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by PSTIM1 on Jan 15, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Average
If you average out Whitlock’s man love for for Brett Favre with Aramnath’s hate, you’ll probably end up closer to reality. First, Favre is a future HOF QB with a good track record in the playoffs. In fact, Favre and Peyton Manning’s career numbers in the post season are very similar to each others. Next, Rodgers turnovers cost Green Bay the game last Sunday. That’s not to say other Packers didn’t have a hand in the loss too. But, the first and the last plays of the game directly led to 14 points for the Cardinals. More importantly, Rodgers had an opportunity to forever exercise the Favre demons from his own legacy by completing the first pass in OT to Jennings and winning the game. Both the Colts and the Vikings know all too well about having QBs lead their teams to great seasons only to underachieve in the playoffs. As it stands right now, Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez have won more post season games than Rodgers. For that matter, Tony Romo has struggled his entire career to lose the perception that he cannot win in the playoffs. Is Ted Thompson vindicated in his choice of Rodgers? Long term the answer is probably yes. But because his mistakes as much as any Packer player led directly to the AZ loss, Aaron has to play with the ghosts of Brett Favre fying around for at least one more season. I can’t speak for Whitlock, but that’s how I interpret his point.
by Belarus on Jan 16, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I don’t like players that have no appreciation for a fan base that showed complete loyalty to to a guy even through some terrible seasons. Yea it must be Aaron Rodgers fault they lost even though the Packers scored 45 points. What a choke artist. Obviously he made mistakes but I think the blame lays squarely on the shoulders of their defense.
When did I say that Favre isn’t a HOF quarterback. I’d be an idiot to suggest that Favre is not one of the great quarterbacks of all time. Just because I hate Brett Favre doesn’t mean I let it cloud my judgment of him as a player. Obviously when you’re having the season he just had at age 40, you’re worthy of the accolades you get.
by aramnath on Jan 16, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't being realistic
Ted Thompson offered Brett Favre $20 million to retire and stay retired. Between last year with the Jets and the contract he signed this year, Brett Favre stands to make $30 million if he plays through next year. And he gets to do what he wanted to do… play football. Thompson didn’t make a competitive offer and Brett refused. So Thompson traded him to the Jets, and then tried to interfere with Favre’s ability to move to the Vikings with some poison pill crap. I don’t know about you, but I would blanche at the notion that I couldn’t work for anyone I pleased if I hadn’t signed a non-compete agreement. If someone tried that with me I’d do exactly what Favre did and find a way to work for the Vikings. He gave 17 years, a Super Bowl title, and 3 MVPs to the GB fan base. He doesn’t owe them a thing beyond that. So spare me the melodrama. You hate; and that has clouded your objectivity.
by Belarus on Jan 17, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Having watched the entire Pack/Cards game...
I can confidently state that if Brett Favre was under center and not Aaron Rodgers…the Cardinals would have blown the Packers away. Rodgers made throw after throw under intense pressure, and gave his team a chance by extending plays by eluding the rush. Favre at 40 could not have done that…which I think vindicated Ted Thompson. Especially since it’s clear that the Packers have a franchise QB for years to come…instead of letting him leave town to maybe get one more year out of Favre.
by JS13 on Jan 17, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is speculative at best
The Cowboys had a stronger defense than the Cardinals especially in the pass rushing department. Favre held up just fine. Your comments don’t appear to hold water.
by Belarus on Jan 17, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I should add
Ted probably doesn’t feel vindicated sitting in GB while planning to watch Brett Favre play in the NFC Championship game next Sunday. That’s about as far as it will probably go, but it will be worse for TT if Favre can find a way to lead the Vikings to a SB victory.
by Belarus on Jan 17, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point you cant be getting dicked around every summer by your quarterback who needs until r to decide if he right before the draft to decide if he wants to come back or retire. Favre has every right to want to continue to play, but that doesnt mean choosing to groom your 25 year-old QB who has promise over continuing with a 40 year old is a wrong decision, especially seeing how fast Rodgers has developed. Favre had some terrible seasons preceding his final year in Green Bay and had another last year with the Jets. It’s easy to second guess now after his monster year in Minnesota, but Thompson certainly had reason regarding performance to move in the direction he chose.
by aramnath on Jan 18, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That I agree with
Long term Ted Thompson will be vindicated with his choice of Rodgers. The success the Packers will or won’t reap depends on draft choices and free agent acquisitions in their offensive line. They are set at QB but they have to move to protect Rodgers health.
by Belarus on Jan 18, 2010 6:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Quarterback Barney
The Jason Whitlock position on Favre is a farce and completely in step with the rest of the “media’s” fascination with the 21 st Century version of Benedict Arnold. Whitlock is swinging from QB Barney’s jock strap maybe in hope of being granted an interview at some point if the Vikings make the big dance.
Favre is a top ten Qb of all-time. However, I would not want him as a teammate or Quarterbacking the team I root for. He’s a me first primadonna that has not been a great teammate for the last five to six years. Yes he wins games and raises the play of those around him but the other stuff like underminning coaching staffs or not helping to mentor players (Aaron Rodgers) is never talked about and should be as it is an overall piece of the Favre profile that Whitlock (and others) convenietly leave out when discussing Favre.
The Packers FO made the right call when they jettison Favre because Rodgers has proven he is one hell of a QB and will remain so for the forseeable future.
by Cardsfan81 on Jan 18, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not a good teammate for the past five to six years?
What definition are you applying? After watching the Vikings this year I can tell you that the team is closer than they have been since 2006 when Brad Childress arrived. The guy has been the consummate teammate. He has mentored the younger players, and been a positive locker room influence. The veterans love the guy. He has had disagreements with Childress, but handled them professionally and directly with Brad. He played the Packers twice this year and it was clear both during and after the games that he remains very popular with his old teammates. It’s guys like you that post rumor and innuendo as fact with on the internet that sound like primadonnas to me.
by Belarus on Jan 19, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fans
Belarus, you are the very definition of term "fan" which is ofcourse short for fanatical. Ask Jets player if the love Favre. Hell, asked some of the current Packers if they enjoyed Favre jerking around the organization his last 3 to 4 years of his GB career. Favre is the poster boy for the me first football player. The evidence is overwhelming and your denial speaks volumes and wreaks of a guy enjoying the ride. You’ll see things clearer when Favre takes the organization thru changes this off-season.
The Favre-Chilly drama played out Nationally with Childress coming of as weak and Favre running the asylum. You obviously feel different about how this "affects" the team moving forward. Yeah, it’s always a good thing when players appear to be in charge and not the coaching staff. Enjoy Favre while you have him……..I have the feeling he won’t be around long.
by Cardsfan81 on Jan 19, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather be a fan
than a hater. I don’t have time in my life for that much misery and cynicism. I can only speak for what I have seen to date. Maybe Favre will do exactly what you predict this off season. Maybe you care more about that than I do. I have not seen here in Minnesota what you speak of as being a fact over the past 5 or 6 years. Brett’s a very popular teammate and mentor on this team. He also appears to be liked and respected by many of his former teammates in Green Bay. As for the Favre – Chilly drama… Childress is a control freak. He wanted to pull Brett out of the Nov 1 Green Bay game for audibling on the Vikings final TD of the game. The play was a pass to Berrian that put the put the game away, and Chilly wanted to bench Brett. Hmm, I think this coach has molded his own “affects” for the future. I don’t think there is any doubt that Childress is running the team, but I also don’t believe there is any question why Childress didn’t earn a single vote for Coach of the Year even after his team went 12-4.
by Belarus on Jan 20, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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