2/1/10 - Kobe As The King (of LA)
Kobe Bryant - In all honesty I moved to Los Angeles almost 7 years ago as a total Kobe hater. I grew up a Warrior fan and always resented the Lakers for being so dominant, while my team was so pitiful. I was also a big JKidd fan, so I'd spent the previous couple of years rooting on his Nets squad and rooting against the Lakers in the finals - only to watch Shaq & Kobe hoist the trophy again and again. The following couple seasons I sat back and watched the Lakers dynasty self-destruct around Kobe and the rape allegations, selfish play and general inability to keep it together. They bottomed out when Phil left to become a biographer, but somehow they got it back and so did Kobe. And through it, he won me over as a fan.
The guy is just unreal, he hits big shot after big shot, and although he doesnt make them all, he looks more cold blooded than just about anyone has ever looked in the final seconds of a game. If I needed someone to do brain surgery on me, I think I'd pick Kobe, because I dont believe his hands shake and I almost dont think he gets nervous. He hit another ridiculous game winner, which was defended as well as humanly possible (or even "godly possible", since it was Jesus Shuttlesworth all up in his grill) over the weekend in Boston and then went out tonight and put up 44 in Memphis to pass Jerry West as the highest scoring Laker of all time - where he hit another big 3 in the final minute, but then dished to Artest for the wide open game winning attempt, which missed long.
I was having a chat with a buddy of mine recently, who is a real Lakers fan, and we were talking about Kobe's place in history and he said, "well he's getting close to Jordan". I laughed out loud when he said that, but the more we talked about it, the less humorous it seemed. Kobe has 4 rings to MJ's 6, but has already played in 5 finals. Of course he won the first three with Shaq, but if the Lakers go on to win again this season (with a team around him very similar to the caliber of teams Jordan had for most of his career) and he claims another MVP trophy, all of which is highly likely, then he's inching a bit closer. If they can keep the team around him and he can continue to stay healthy for another 2-3 seasons and possibly win one more ring and another MVP, plus a few more buzzer beating highlights and the comparisons will have to be drawn. Heck, even Jordan never scored 81. While it sounds sacrilegious to me to even consider Kobe anywhere near MJ, he could easily play 7-8 more years, padding those career stats and making it a debate that most of us will have a hard time not entertaining.
Oh course there are a lot of things that need to happen before he gets there - but either way, Kobe has done one heck of a job winning me over as a fan, and he can have a spot on our roster anytime.
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Kobe is a legend, but MJ he ain't
All of Kobe’s career averages are inferior to Jordan. He’s had only 3 seasons above 30 points, whereas Jordan had 8 including 7 straight. Jordan shot a better percentage from the field and also got to the line with greater frequency than Bryant has, making him a vastly more efficient scorer.
People need to stop suggesting Kobe could even enter a discussion of greatness with Jordan and considering how good the Black Mamba has been that’s more a testament to how superior Jordan to everyone that’s played the game. Kobe won 4 titles and only on one of those teams was he the first option. 23 was the man for every one of his 6 rings.
Even if Kobe were to win another MVP he would still be three short of Jordan’s five. Also MJ’s 6 Finals MVP’s to Kobe’s 1 are another area where Kobe lags behind him.
Also I wouldn’t assume too quickly that Kobe will be able to play another 7-8 years. Just take a look at the number of games Bryant has played and then look at the Boston Celtics. Age catches up to everyone and when it does it happens fast.
by aramnath on Feb 2, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
But for the sake of this debate you have to make the assumption that he wins 2 more titles and 2 more MVPS (and Finals MVP’s), plus a few more years of uber high scoring – giving him as many championships as MJ and nearly as many MVP’s… I also agree that Kobe probably wont play another 7-8 years, but if Bynum stays and they can keep a decent team around him, it doesnt look like he has any reason to fall off in the next 3 years, which means he could slowly decline for 3-4 more and end up with some huge career totals. Of course these are all assumptions, but thats the point – clearly at this point he doesnt compare to MJ, but assuming all of the above happens (which isnt that far fetched), you’d have to say it at least becomes a debate
by GrantC on Feb 2, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If those things were to happen Kobe’s stature would definitely grow, but I still don’t think it would be a debate. If Jordan played in today’s NBA his numbers would simply grow, particularly his scoring numbers. The amount of physical play allowed in Jordan’s heyday would put today’s players to shame. Also during Jordan’s time there was no such thing as a defensive three seconds in the lane, meaning teams would camp out players in the lane with the sole purpose of preventing easy layups and still Jordan found a way to get down there. When comparing Jordan and Kobe it goes beyond the numbers and also an examination of the eras they play in. Jordan played in the ultimate defensive era in the history of the NBA and still put up ridiculous offensive numbers while also maintaining a reputation as one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time. Kobe now benefits with rules catered to benefit perimeter scorers (i.e. no hand check) and puts up lesser numbers and while he is an extremely good defensive player, he has never been discussed as an all-time great on that side of the ball. It’s definitely appropriate to praise Kobe for all he’s achieved in his career, but Jordan will undoubtedly remain in a class of his own when it comes to the shooting guard position.
by aramnath on Feb 2, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you get to comparing how guys would do in each other's eras...
Then your comparing them as players.
by GrantC on Feb 2, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t really be comparing the two if I didn’t have to hear this inane conversation about if Kobe is as good as Jordan. If it was an argument like say, was Hakeem Olajuwon (more skillful, a superior defensive player) as good as Shaquille O’Neal (an unstoppable force in his prime) where you can make an argument for each guy based on the numbers and career achievements then it makes sense. Unfortunately on no basis other than the fact that Kobe scored 81 points in a game, has Kobe done anything better than Jordan. Anyways I don’t want to make it seem like I’m knocking a guy who’s an HOF’er. There are very few that could come as close as Kobe has to emulating MJ which says volumes about how great Kobe truly is.
by aramnath on Feb 2, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking Jerry West to start my team
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
I want to have sex with this moment. And get this moment pregnant. VAsaintsfan after the 2009 NFC championship game
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Feb 2, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How many could He had if he had the three point line
Kobe whould still be a long way from breaking his record, if Jerry West could have been raining down threes
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
I want to have sex with this moment. And get this moment pregnant. VAsaintsfan after the 2009 NFC championship game
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Feb 2, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True that. I didn’t get a chance to watch Jerry West except for highlight clips so it’s hard for me to compare the two accurately, though from my understanding I don’t think there’s a wrong choice between the two.
by aramnath on Feb 2, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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